tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8547886101764404344.post8818102037647739642..comments2024-03-24T20:50:06.083-04:00Comments on Lessons in Psychology: Freedom, Liberation, and Reaction: Dreaming as PlaytimeWynn Schwartz, Ph.D.http://www.blogger.com/profile/03689137521075228568noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8547886101764404344.post-64770764621434321802014-04-20T18:48:01.888-04:002014-04-20T18:48:01.888-04:00I've modified this posting since Clarke made h...I've modified this posting since Clarke made his useful points. I think it now reflects a better use of Descriptive Psychology. I have also added the concepts of Spandrels, since I am not suggesting that playing in dreams has a necessary adaptive/evolutionary function but is simply something people can do while dreaming, whether adaptive or not. Thanks S, for reminding me of this.<br />Wynn Schwartz, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03689137521075228568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8547886101764404344.post-77011023362465896732014-04-18T12:23:47.770-04:002014-04-18T12:23:47.770-04:00Notice I said "deliberative" and "d...Notice I said "deliberative" and "deliberate" rather than employing the DP concept of Deliberate Action and I have used it the way Freud did. <br /><br />( See my "Action and Representation in Ordinary and Lucid Dreams" https://www.academia.edu/6326247/Action_and_Representation_in_Ordinary_and_Lucid_Dreams. And my "The Two Concepts of Action and Responsibility in Psychoanalysis" https://www.academia.edu/5903257/The_Two_Concepts_Of_Action_And_Responsibility_In_Psychoanalysis)<br /><br />And yes, I do have more lucid dreams than most folks but even my non lucid dreams these days are more enjoyable than not. I also remember 4 or 5 dreams nightly which is not normal but I've never claimed normality. As for a rigorous DP treatment, that sounds like work. I conceptualize play a bit more clearly in the April 2013 blog entry "Play and Therapy". <br /><br />http://freedomliberationreaction.blogspot.com/2013/04/play-and-therapy.html<br /><br />Play counts by not countingWynn Schwartz, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03689137521075228568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8547886101764404344.post-81699713912938414552014-04-18T11:37:52.660-04:002014-04-18T11:37:52.660-04:001. Is "play" a critique? There's som...1. Is "play" a critique? There's some behavior that we judge either to be play or not. What do we judge by? I know you've been working on this for a while. For comparison influence + (something) = violence. Behavior + (something) = play.<br /><br />2. Please be careful using "deliberate" in Freud's way, esp. as it is not the DP way. Room for confusion there.<br /><br />3. It seems there's an "out of control' quality to dreaming, otherwise we wouldn't need the term "lucid dreaming" to describe dreams in which we set the circumstances and the process. Certainly there's a "thrown-ness", as one appears in the dream in a set of circumstances not chosen. Deliberate action has fewer boundary conditions (reality is relaxed), but other than that, how is it different from waking life (thrownness + boundary contitions)? For me, there's a quality of watching a movie and the zugzwang associated with that; I don't have that feeling with life, even though it is going forward, I can't rewind it, etc. <br /><br />4. Something implied by what you have written is: you lay there in your not-dreaming periods waiting for the movie to begin. I'm genuinely unconscious in those periods and don't know I'm asleep. Are you somehow just waiting for the movie to begin?<br /><br />5. Most people remember only a fragment of their total dreams each night. You imply you remember everything, and this essay is built on that. Do you? Cuz that's a lot to be remembering each night.<br /><br />6. I remember reading that folks who were awakened at the beginning of dream sleep but otherwise allowed to sleep started developing problems. If so, that would interfere with the idea of dreams preserving sleep. <br /><br />7. I'd like to see you subject your observations to a rather rigorous DP treatment.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02240907387224016346noreply@blogger.com